DIGITAL DJ LICENCE - Euroland.

I think that's terrible. It will discourage new entrants into the scene possibly making it become a little stale as the years go on.

Bad move I say.

that's crap when you've already bought the damn thing.
fucking shite

PPL is their version of APRA

i dont think they would have the foresight to think it would become a problem in australia. APRA doesnt really effect electronic music except for radio because they dont see australia having a major scene,, or one that they can control. Imagine if you had to fill out play lists from every gig you played.. shit. On top of that imagine APRA making the club being responsible for knowing every track they the dj;s played throughout a night. dont think so.

and this digital music thing is another vien that to be honest wont concern them as dj's dont even really hit their radar. In Europe where there is a heavier concentration of people and djs in a smaller area of land it may be easier to control.

yeah so i would worry bout it too much

umm maybe maybe not
a friend of mine now has to pay apra everytime has does one type of gig, which he promotes djs and runs. He has to submuit his playlist also, a real pain in the arse, cos he plays for at least eight hours. This is just so they can see how much australian content he plays and get him to fork out for those royalties, which is odd, because venues pay apra fees anyway. Now he got dobbed in by a rival promoter and this was years ago, yet he still has to do it....
an isolated incident no doubt but there are some things at apra at the moment which may make them need to look at new income streams and this would be a good one.
I agree we don't have too much to worry about most of us being off the radar anyway.
If you want to look at it this way, at the moment we already pay to have the music we played aired, in so much as clubs pay apra fees and we in return get paid a little less for our services.
i've lost my point sorry.

weird. never heard that happening before.

APRA are so unpredictable.

didn't he think it was wierd too.... and for the fucking $8 or something he has to pay for the two aussie records he plays it wasnt worth thier phone call.....
btw he runs a night in brisbane called flares, it's been going for like 20 years and covers different periods of dance music, he does 70's 80's early 90's etc.....
he's very fucking good at it and usually pulls 500-700 people, and other promoters (often clubs) are trying to take him because he's so fiercely independent..... anyway

apra are good at what they do, and as a recording artist and songwriter / performer i'm always happy to get a cheque from them every year, no matter how small. But I hope they don't bring in this shitty license. but you;re right we are kinda off their radar but with the amount of music being downloaded for free they might look at it if they think djs are playing this music.... even if it affects us all.
hmm nice work dude, some real talk on messy instead of my usual filth

yeah i have been desiring conversation on the board again instead of constant quips.

but back on topic.

my opinion of apra is balls heavy due to their internations relationship with other firms such as PPL and other associated associations. When i was in my sound production course our buisness ethics teacher worked for PPL when she was in UK and told us about how australia had decided not to sign for giving any of the collected money to artists outside australia,, even though they still collect from radio and venues. Fair enough australian artists do get their royalties.. as they should but to not be an international player is balls.

bad luck for you friend. promoters are a dodgy bunch when they get jealous

not so sure about that anymore, how long ago did you do your course?

Let's hope this never happens here, but Iam sure it will, it is within APRAs interests to exploit as many people as much as  they can.  People in suits should have nothing to do with dance music.

2002..

havent kept up with any changes but thats how it certainly was then.

yeah dale.. only damain can pull off a good suit at a party lol
it would certainly suck to have to pay each year to be a dj

i disagree, in all my dealings with apra i've never seen anyone in a suit in their offices, in fact nearly everyone who worked there was making their own music of some sort.
apra don't exploit people, they collect royalties on belhalf of artists. they make sure venues pay so original bands get their live performance fees. they are a non profit organisation. i believe they do a pretty good job. they collect royalties from overseas as well.
no-one gets paid very well there at all

yeah true.

i always forget they do look our for the little guys. they seem like nazi's when you look at them from the persective of venue management and dj'ing. its only really the international thing that really choked my chain.

yeah but as far as i'm aware they have changed that.
i could be wrong though. they are fucks with venues i mean they hit up hairdressers and the like....
some venues just don't pay though which only hurts the artists who play there as far as i know...
not sure how they are nazis to djs though, but would be happy to learn...

The dealings I have had with APRA have been with a very slick suit who would come to venues I owned/managed and ask for their yearly fees so we could have people come in and play music.  This is despite the fact that we were always one of the main venues supporting upcoming electronic artists in Melbourne(we would play cds during the day).  
However, my main point is, even if you have live music in your venue all the time, you have to pay a fee.  Even if they are an acid jazz band making it all up as they go along!  I fail to see how this benefits artists -it's just biting the hand which in many cases is literally feeding them.

i understand if this is your experience of a suit.
venues don't like apra generally, as they do just seem like a revenue raiser.
but try being an original music for a month and see how much money you make from it. not much.
the apra cheque always come at a time when you need the money cos there's never a time you don't
venues do provide an outlet for me to perform, but half of them rip off musicians and djs blind.
I'm not suggesting you did this but that's the truth.
as a musician who used to perform quite a lot of improvised stuff, it was great to be able to include this on your return, it's been a while and I can't remember the why and wherefores of it but it was something.
I'm a dj too, and i'll be screwed if they start fucking with my shit so i kinda sit on the fence you know, but from a musicians point of view apra is rad.

the whole digital license thing has more to do with ppl playing form their laptops. proof that they haven't downloaded a pirate basically. cant be a bad thing at all esp with so many people playing from vinyl scratch and serato.

you can still play burnt cds on a cdj and it doesn't apply. load of crap.

aint gonna happen here. not in any hurry anyhow.

but it doesn't provide proof, if you just pay a fee - you can still just wog the music and play it. exactly why i'm dubious of all the new laptop technologies, and not made any less because of the earth wire bollocks the other night....
but i'm pretty sure the license is for all digital formats and don't be so sure they aren't discussing it at the next apra meeting.....
in fact as an apra member i might just go along to the next meeting and see if it is being discussed....
and i say fuck it, if you're gonna steal music and get paid to play it out - you should come round and suck my cock for free that'll do for my royalty payment for the year i reckon... bugger it, i havent slaved away in original bands for over ten years just so some fuck can steal my shit and think he's the man for doing some pretentios remix with a warm synth and vocoder break-down and make money out
of it.
there's no way any argument will ever sway me to think that that isn't fucking wrong as wrong in fact every day i feel like smashing some yuppie cunts ipod into a million pieces, though how can i know his ipod isn't full of bought music?
well I can't
anyway end rant....

so who's in a bad mood?

most dudes who play shit on their puters will be getting their music legitimately because you get shit arse quality when you download a pirate mp3 on the net. and it dont sound good on a system.

yeah but it doesn't really stop anyone does it, fair point. But does it really stop anyone doing it? doubt it. put a fat beat behind it, and shelve the fucked mp3 frequencies or remix it and you're sorted.
sorry but i've decided i got no problem with apra charging people to use thier pcs and or burnt cds to play other peoples music from from when playing out- fuck it... i'd pay it, if meant not carrying 50kgs of vinyl to every gig where they did have cdjs.....
also it might encourage people to actually write a bit more of their own music and play that....

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WICKED what a great way to keep CDJ's out of our scene i fuckin cant stand cd playin fuckers cause they are usually trance and cant mix anyway,its all about talent which im still working on myself i know that but its all about preformance not digital sound effex fuck europe go melbourne keep it real punks and dale send me your email address

I HATE CDJ's

believe or not i love cdjs. i can see all the haters now. these things are excellent tools and can be used in so many different ways. i particularly like ones with looping functions so ya can just grab a loop, let it roll and drop something over the top. this is how some of the best mash ups are made. you can even select a cue point and use em like an mpc sampler, triggering the cd with the push of a button. i love pushing buttons. even setting up two cdjs one on a snare hit and the other on a kick drum and then you can plug out beats with ya fingers. boom ksh boom boom ksh. dboom ksh boom boom ksh

hehee ... I don't hate them now as much as I used to ...  but I'm still more inclined toward vinyl and tunrtables!

boom ksh boom boom ksh. dboom ksh boom boom ksh

i've never though anything bad about playing cds or anything really
what's the difference between a drum machine, a turntable or a full band?
as long as it sounds good coming out of the speakers, who fucking cares?
personally i prefer vinyl and very rarely buy cds, but that's just cos I'm stuck in the past
purists can all sit at the back and stroke their chins...
anyone heard that there is a chemical or (some by-product) used to make vinyl that is really bad for the environment?
yeah well, they can't manufacture this chemical anymore...
so this argument will die in the arse soon enough

bring on solid state devices with 12" record feeling jog wheels and lots of buttons

they're already here pete. and they kick arse!

I say if you have the technology, use it.

Look at Pink Floyd. 35 years ago they were being criticised for letting the technology create the music and not them. Roger Waters' response was that if they gave anyone else their equipment that they wouldn't be able to play what Floyd were playing at the time.

Basically, if it makes music have more avenues....great.

But I agree with JD that it always seems to be some trance DJ who is using them as they can't mix properly.

yeah fair call about shitty trance djs who can't mix

you mean the technics one matty?

i mean solid state though ie no hard drives, which all inevitably die....
I mean you can back em up and they're cheap now, so it's really moot point
solid state memory chips or cards are just a fuckload more reliable...
exactly why i won't buy an ipod.
it's a very expensive disc drive, disc being the operative word.
discs all fail eventually....

solid state has to be the way of the future...

hah ha i said moot

most brands have some really fucken good stuff, pioneer will always be the leaders, the technics one looks to confusing, the numark ones are pretty flash. stanton have had some good results but just dont cut it against pioneer. some of em even play mp3 cds as well now. pfft whatever mp3s sound totally shitarse and the variation in quality from one to the next is too unpredictable.

oh okay i missed what you were on about pete. i'm on about the cd players if you didn't already get it.

i know bro, i think the dj 1000's etc are absolutely brilliant technology farken a
was fucking with em at the black mumba gig last week, cos they had em

the dj from my old band wuz gonna buy one and stop using his 1200 cos he could just copy his scratch records once then just keep burning cds and never wear em out and never have to change records nor cue, nor drop a needle and if the cd got fucked, he have like 8 spares or something in a case!!!!!
the applications are limitless really...

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